That interviewee has a real talent for articulating her people's attitudes. I had not previously realised that some Europeans regard the French disposition to protest, to be exceptional. Nevertheless, it is depressing to see, yet again, the people are cowered. I am wondering which nation will get the ball rolling and eliminate their problem.
The French took their protest further than other nations, but I can assure you that many European nations protested... a million marched in London and tens of thousands elsewhere in the UK... Germany, Spain, Netherlands etc etc... all had the same...but whereas the French stood up against the police, in other nations we were just battered and were more passive - A MISTAKE IN HINDSIGHT. Ditto with me, regards your last sentance.
True, Bob, I think the first major protests proved that protest does not cut it. I have long held the view that the City of London cultivated the Mohandas Ghandi phenomenon, and Wall Street manipulated ML King, both to create the myth of 'peaceful non-violent protest', further validated by their martyredom of assassination and, later, to reinforce the point, epic Hollywood movies. The Globalists have conned us into marching with valiant non-violence to the death camps, singing triumphantly all the way.
What we should be doing is demanding our defence force personnel train us as militia and take our nations back the only way that works, as history has long taaught us. Yet the peaceniks claim "this is exactly what the globalists want us to do, so that they have an excuse to slaughter us". LIke... since when did the globalists need a pretext. Belief will kill us long before mRNA.
My grandfather was Czech, I speak Czech and to this day I follow local news. From the outsider perspective - of all Eastern European countries Czechia has been the most westernized and not in a good way, rural life still ok. Vaxx uptake one of the highest in E. Europe 65+%, almost on par with W. Europe. Local government are not only total lapdogs of Brussels, but take their obedience to eager 11. Just one picture that speaks 1984 words : look what Czech Ministry of Internal Affairs put on their building in late 2022 - Putin in a bodybag..
People are brainwashed, NATO support 85%. Just recently Czech government signed "defense" agreement with USA which allows US army on Czech soil ( a la Poland or Germany), gives them barracks, training grounds etc. Just one generation after Russian army left in 1990-1991, now soldiers of another superpower will be on Czech soil, but you see these are good, peaceful ones (until you upset them)..I better shut up before I start smoking again..
Hungary and Croatia I think. Their politicians stood up against the EU. Hungarian is probably impossible to learn at my age LOL. Croatian resembles Czech a bit, if ever I need to move back to Europe that would be my choice. But I hope I can live out my years here!
never been to Hungary. But I have not travelled in the last 5 years, was planning to visit Belgium just before hell broke loose, and now same fears as you - what if I get stuck some place? what will happen with my animals - the people that used to take care of them, are now unreliable and no longer close friends. So I just stay here, and we talk on the phone with the overseas family, or write Emails.
"At the moment, the Pirates are trying to sell people on IDs that would replace birth certificates, and would be required for the “wallet’s” functionality."
A very creepy concept as someone's entire identity would be captured in a "digital wallet" and could be capriciously expunged with a mere flip of a switch.
However, the Czech's who experienced totalitarianism seem to have inculcated a heighted awareness or intuitiveness regarding the
odious stench of authoritarianism, an ability lacking but desperately needed by Liberals in the West who are deliberately, or unconsciously walking populations into a technocratic digital hellhole.
I wonder about the degree those that are endeavouring to implement this Gullible Reset hell scape think they will be exempt from the human travesty they manufacture? The politicians, public "servants" and compliant useful of OZzzz and NZzzz threw themselves behind the yolk of Covidiot tyranny with unbridled gusto. The unending division and segregation of what is now become tribalised society is the kiss of death of civilisation. In the end the serpent must devour itself. So little happening under this neo-Marxist corporate globalist technofascist con is remotely 'sustainable', or fostering of humanity.
Thanks a lot for this, Riley and Cecílie. Have not heard much from the Czech Republic since news of the re-opening of society after the lockdown was declared over, and a party took place on the King Charles Bridge which spans the Vlatva River in Praha.
What did you expect after joining a transnational corporate entity like the EU that no one ever voted for? Freedom and democracy? Having social liberalism meaningless "elections" and being so-called "richer" in central bankster token numbers is actually the total opposite, absolutely on par with that the Russians and Chinese have, except for foreign policy, where the West is way worse and in its own league.
Just saw a street walking doc of Prague yesterday and remembered 25 years ago, when I visited, just after Czechia opened up to Westerners. Jan Prochazka! I read his book Milena long time ago. Two coincidences! I saved the page of this lady, but my Czech is quite poor, I will have to study some to be able and read it! Thank you so much for bringing back memories of old. Prague is still super clean, but I noticed lots of graffiti on empty buildings, and quite some very expensive German cars. Back then, everyone seemed to drive a Lada.
thank you so very much! I love Czechia and regret the way it is evoluating. When I decided to leave my native Belgium your country was the first I tried, but the job was given to someone who was fluent in Czech and I ended up in the USA
''he has repeatedly mentioned in the mainstream media that he does not consider the current Russian regime to be democratic, he has been labelled a pro-Russian collaborator.''
Russia is a corrupt oligarchy, hence it is VERY democratic and collective west approved.
Why interview her? She doesn't sound too bright to me. She doesn't notice that she herself has succumbed to a certain amount of brainwashing. She is one of the many people who still allow her opponents to choose her words for her, while she tries to be "fair and balanced." She is walking the fence, man!
To those who say Ukraine provoked the war but Putin was wrong to invade or even, "he took the bait," because there were alternatives he should have used. I ask, "What alternatives, what were they? Name one." They never can name even one.
"A gluten-free bakery"... I sure am prejudiced, but I consider the gluten-free credo to be a branch of the vegan religion, one of Great Reset's doctrines. I'm afraid we are more indoctrinated than we ourselves realize.
With all the respect I have for you, I don't agree with your comment. Modern Wheat is very bad for ones health and this has absolutely nothing to do with the crazy vegan thing or the great reset. I myself have much problem to digest it, unless small quantity.
Wheat has been modified and unless one can find old seeds, I would strongly advised to avoid it.
But Bugey, leaving aside the arguable statement that "modern wheat is very bad for one's health" (I would appreciate some links to researches supporting that argument), all wheat has gluten! Modern and ancient. Simply, some people are allergic or very sensitive to that protein, same as some can't digest lactose. And whereas it is great for those people to now be able to buy gluten- or lactose-free products, the fact is, gluten-free has become a sort of cult. For instance, any decent café will have both with- and without-lactose milk for their customers to choose; and any decent restaurant will have meat and meat-free dishes, so that everybody's happy, vegans and meat-eaters alike. The managers of those businesses prove to be (besides good businessmen) perfectly tolerant: they do not discriminate; everyone is welcome there. But the philosophy (and the message) behind any Whatever-free Only place is that of an intolerant teology: "Either you are a member of the church, or you do not buy here. Only like-minded customers are allowed in these premises." This is what I criticise, not the fact that gluten or lactose allergic people (or even meat haters) are now able to buy whatever suits them or their beliefs best, which is of course great.
I would like to point out that an artisan bakery where you can get homemade gluten-free bread for celiacs is something very rare in Prague. Anyway, I've sold my share in the company and the management has stepped up to sell gluten baked goods as well. Personally, I don't agree with that, because the centre of Prague is full of bakeries where you can get good gluten-free pastries. But it's true that a mixed bakery makes more money. (But it is also true that the risk of gluten contamination is higher.)
I am ready to take your word about artisan bakeries that sell homemade gluten-free bread being something very rare in Prague. Which means it was an excellent idea to open a business selling such products. I just do not see why not selling as well lovely homemade artisan gluten baked goods (the risk of gluten contamination being, in my admittedly prejudiced -though not necessarily wrong- opinion, a rather tenuous argument).
I am not sure gluten contagion is such a light stuff since those with celiac disease can suffer be hospitalized with small amount of gluten. Of course, a small downtown bakery is definitely not a semi-industrial bakery which deals with a lot of different products, big bags of flours which will be scattered in the air and contamination can maybe be prevented, pastries prepared in different place and different tools...
I won't be able to provide you any link whatsoever comparing the difference between the modern wheat seeds and old ones since to my knowledge they don't exist. For practitioners, whether farmers of bakers it is evident. I will for once, speak of authority (lol). I have had the chance to be instructed, taught, in one of the best school for organic farming and biodynamic in Europe and probably worldwide. The criterias for selection of seeds have been radically changed in the 70' to have productive wheat instead of strong, resistant ones (same process with the cattles), tasty ones. The soils have also degraded and the plants had to grow with much fewer nutriments, thus being more fragile, more susceptible to insect, fungus and sickness. Thus dwarfing chemicals have been added so that they could withhold wind, which they used to do on good soil and good genetic...
At some point, since the 80's, bakers were sold flours which could even fermentate and at some point in the 2000's, one could find 11 additives (for fermentation, conservation, taste, etc...). This has led, at least in France, to a movement of farmers networking to gather old seeds, replicate them, share them. The results were so good both for them and the bakers that now, the flours from those seeds are sold even in modern bakeries (more expensive) and thousand of handcraft bakers do work only with these with great success countrywide. Even the ghouls in power only eat bread made with these flours, it is a well known fact. The bread last longer, is much tastyer.
Because you admit that celiac disease and leaky gut is a known fact (there might be a link with shity flour in the groth of those diseases), there is no need to say that gluten free isn't a fashion in anyway.
At some point when I saw war as a high probability in Mali and because I was not authorized to go back to my home in the Gao area, I convinced my Malian wife to go to Marocco where some Marocan friends offer me to work with them on a spirulina farm. I thus then shifted from a rice (I could find natural rice, old seeds)based diet to a wheat one. I had a lot of gut problem which was reflected on my skin and my mood. As soon as I went back to Mali and thus stopped eating wheat, my situation improved greatly. When war started for real and I couldn't find a job, thus having a lot of financial problems, I decided to eat little but shifted to Ketogenic diet. I have been keeping with that non strict regime (what I call chocolate mousse keto diet, Lol) for the better.
This is a veeery wide topic. I essentially agree (though I'm not sure in which objective grounds except my subjective perception and prejudice) in the idea that soil chemical degradation and new "productive" (versus old "strong") seeds have resulted in a worse product quality. I for one, living in the countryside, buy as much as possible of local, non-processed produce. Yet, I have two caveats to "organic" farming.
Firstly, I am not sure whether the planet could produce food for seven billion humans if all the crops and cattle in the world were to be "organic". I have the impression (and I might be wrong) that productive and even genetically modified (GM) seeds are in nowadays world an absolute necessity, thus rendering the organic produce a luxury exlusive to rich societies (which of course does not mean I support the abusive and unlawful practices of the GM lords), given the fact that those products are naturally scarcer and considerably costlier. Having a priviledged minority of well-off citizens buy expensive organic food, and spreading the word, does not in the least solve the problem, in my opinion.
Secondly, I very much suspect (an then again I might be wrong) that the "organic commerce" sell their produce at higher profit, taking advantage of the trendy organic fashion. Take for instance the skimmed and low-fat milk: despite the fact that dairy farms (rather, factories) profit double from those types of milk (as they use the substracted milk skin to make cheese or cream), they sell that "decaf" milk at the same or even higher price tag than the full-fat one. Or the "cage-free eggs" you see in the supermarket, sold at a considerably higher price tag than eggs from tortured and mistreated hens, without the buyer having the slightest guarantee (actually, not caring at all, and naively trusting the producer's word) that the "free-cage" ones come indeed from free-cage hens, since it is virtually impossible to verify which hen laid which egg; but again, those "humane and ecological" producers take advantage of the compassionate and gullible well-off citizens who believe their extra bucks are going to save the planet. What I mean to say with all this is, I scent that the "organic" or "eco-friendly" market is, in average, more dishonest and opaque than the industrial one.
But I digress. In essence, my point is that, without scientific and incontrovertible data proving that such or such product is worse for our health than its eco-friendly version--well, I can't take a particular person's experience (not even mine!) as evidence.
"Firstly, I am not sure whether the planet could produce food for seven billion humans if all the crops and cattle in the world were to be "organic". I have the impression (and I might be wrong) that productive and even genetically modified (GM) seeds are in nowadays world an absolute necessity, thus rendering the organic produce a luxury exlusive to rich societies (which of course does not mean I support the abusive and unlawful practices of the GM lords), given the fact that those products are naturally scarcer and considerably costlier. Having a priviledged minority of well-off citizens buy expensive organic food, and spreading the word, does not in the least solve the problem, in my opinion."
It appears to me that all over history, even in the XX century that the reality is that the survival of human groups worldwide depends entirely on the weather and that it is rather erratic. Everywhere you look, even when human societies devised very brilliant agricultural models, at some point, there has been 'climate changes', whether from one year to another, whether from longer pattern changes. 'Climate changes' can be induced by volcanoes, think Tamboura or Krakatoa in the XIXth century which have brought very bad harvest. It is now well known that the very French revolution was brought about after very bad harvests after volcanic eruptions in Iceland. Thus our survival is by nature uncertain and depends entirely on yearly harvests. Political organisations can be helpful in stocking grains, fat in case of bad years.
You rightly said that it was your 'impression' and in my last comment I hinted at the fact that this has been due to the controlled narration by Big Agra to justify their economical policies and the very huge profits that issued. The balance sheet of the "green revolution" can simply be sum up as such: Destruction of soils, destruction of traditional agricultural societies as is the case in India, land grabbing by powerful private interests, destruction of seeds, health of all organic life (insects, birds, rodents, Humans, etc...), pollution of soil and rivers...
The only way to help counterbalance bad harvest in one place on the hearth would be real, genuine concern for humanity and thus a system to really help those in dire situation when the harvest are failing.
Organic farming/hunting gathering, has been the rule during 99,99999% of the history of humanity (I am simplying but we know that is a "veeery wide subject.
Was "green revolution" designed to feed the populations or to make profit and power over local political entities?
Ever since you and I have been living in rich western societies (I don't know your location, Germany, England) we have seen millions of linear in supermarkets of food of lesser and lesser quality of which a significant proportion was destroyed every week. The endgame was obviously not to feed humanity but to make profit...
Organic farming has became an economic profitable sector but when it started in the 60's in France for instance it was because some people could envisioned the consequences of herbicides, fertilizers... Biodynamic farming was devised when rich German landowners weer seeing decay in soil fertility.
I agree that is has became a money making machine targeting rich urbans but it was first a genuine movement to help improving agriculture, local farmers and consumers. The power that shouldn't be had been transforming the populations in consumers, concentrating them in sterile (in term of food production) urban environment.
Interesting. I won't answer fully for now since it will take some time and I have other things to do. Maybe I will answer bit by bit.
To start, I am French, a country which you must know was still very agricultural at the end of WWII. Industrialisation was not as widespread as in the perfide Albion and a large specter of the population relied on farming and gardening which practices had been improved for centuries, drawing an impressive landscape to say the least (destroyed by the technocratic US minded "remembrement of post WWII" https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrement. No ENCLOSURE and that should give pause to contemplate the very big difference. On the opposite, there has been a strong history of free town, local rules. think of Villefranche sur Saône, de Rouergue, etc, etc... Freetowns. Regions strongly differentiated according to to different climate, landscape seasons of culture, seeds, etc... The total opposite of centralization, technocratic mindset.
So in the next posts, you will understand my inherently different appreciation of the process which had led to the actual degeneracy with Big Agra, it's pseudo merit and it's power of propaganda, shaping PERCEPTION, controlling the information, research grants.
5 minutes ago I went the the FAO website to try to find back an official paper of that global administration that was public 20 years ago (I lost the downloaded doc in a computer's 'death') just to find that on their "organic" pages there is just, walou, nothing, rien... I will dig though because I am darn sure, that some 20 years ago it was said, after a study, that small scale family agriculture was the only way to feed Africans. When "war" started in Mali I was about to be hire by the Swiss cooperation on a program to experiment on many practices so as to evaluate them not just for export, but for local consumption...
If you are not interested in the following of my answer, just tell me and anyway take care et "bon appétit".
PS: In the biodynamic/orghanic farming school, we we often told that it was better to share a non organic food in joy with friends than an official logo certified organic dish all alone...
I'm almost convinced those articles are correct. I for one have not been able to find anywhere, anymore the good old bakery products one could find in my hometown when I was a kid, and I attribute the cause to low quality flour and perhaps too many chemicals. But as to saying that modern bread is very bad for our health--well, I think that's a long shot.
A vitalist, a poet, would say that a grain full of life, history of climate evolution, having known your ancestors since time immemorial will tell your body, cells, etc.. a long story, it is alive.
A grain devoid of life, a flour grinded God only knows when, chemicall as artifice of life (in the worst flour, yeast doesn't prosper without chemicals) is dead.
Life is health, dead food is therefore non healthy.
Vitalism and poetry is according to me preferable to scientism/materialism and so called scientific objectivity confined in the limits of knowledge gathered in lab experiment.
Did you know that in Belgium a study has demonstrated that plant have a different growth when different musics is performed in fields?...
great interview!
Great interview, thanks to both. much of what the people do not want
is same here, in States.Seems to me we are very similar in objecting. Stand together in our humanity. That is who we all are.
That interviewee has a real talent for articulating her people's attitudes. I had not previously realised that some Europeans regard the French disposition to protest, to be exceptional. Nevertheless, it is depressing to see, yet again, the people are cowered. I am wondering which nation will get the ball rolling and eliminate their problem.
The French took their protest further than other nations, but I can assure you that many European nations protested... a million marched in London and tens of thousands elsewhere in the UK... Germany, Spain, Netherlands etc etc... all had the same...but whereas the French stood up against the police, in other nations we were just battered and were more passive - A MISTAKE IN HINDSIGHT. Ditto with me, regards your last sentance.
True, Bob, I think the first major protests proved that protest does not cut it. I have long held the view that the City of London cultivated the Mohandas Ghandi phenomenon, and Wall Street manipulated ML King, both to create the myth of 'peaceful non-violent protest', further validated by their martyredom of assassination and, later, to reinforce the point, epic Hollywood movies. The Globalists have conned us into marching with valiant non-violence to the death camps, singing triumphantly all the way.
What we should be doing is demanding our defence force personnel train us as militia and take our nations back the only way that works, as history has long taaught us. Yet the peaceniks claim "this is exactly what the globalists want us to do, so that they have an excuse to slaughter us". LIke... since when did the globalists need a pretext. Belief will kill us long before mRNA.
My grandfather was Czech, I speak Czech and to this day I follow local news. From the outsider perspective - of all Eastern European countries Czechia has been the most westernized and not in a good way, rural life still ok. Vaxx uptake one of the highest in E. Europe 65+%, almost on par with W. Europe. Local government are not only total lapdogs of Brussels, but take their obedience to eager 11. Just one picture that speaks 1984 words : look what Czech Ministry of Internal Affairs put on their building in late 2022 - Putin in a bodybag..
https://www.seznamzpravy.cz/clanek/domaci-zivot-v-cesku-plachta-s-putinem-v-pytli-na-mrtvoly-je-pryc-rakusan-ji-nahradil-jinou-219104
People are brainwashed, NATO support 85%. Just recently Czech government signed "defense" agreement with USA which allows US army on Czech soil ( a la Poland or Germany), gives them barracks, training grounds etc. Just one generation after Russian army left in 1990-1991, now soldiers of another superpower will be on Czech soil, but you see these are good, peaceful ones (until you upset them)..I better shut up before I start smoking again..
I know nothing about NATO's 85% support. You mustn't believe the news. :)
fresh polling data from May 2023. I am aware of push polls or outright manufactured lies. Still...
https://www.novinky.cz/clanek/zahranicni-evropa-podpora-nato-i-eu-na-slovensku-klesa-ctvrtina-lidi-vnima-pozitivne-putina-40432773
“The opinion of the people is of no interest to the current government.”
Is this the power of liberal democracy?
I think that is the case in most countries. How many politicians anywhere count with what the people want? US? UK? Anyone?
Hungary?
Hungary and Croatia I think. Their politicians stood up against the EU. Hungarian is probably impossible to learn at my age LOL. Croatian resembles Czech a bit, if ever I need to move back to Europe that would be my choice. But I hope I can live out my years here!
I love Czech and Hungary.
I’m so sad to read this.
Good to know about Croatia.
I miss traveling, but gawd knows , at anytime , the tyrants could smack a Vax mandate or Economy Crash, and get stuck outside the US.
Which at this point….
Orban take me in 🤣🤣🤣
never been to Hungary. But I have not travelled in the last 5 years, was planning to visit Belgium just before hell broke loose, and now same fears as you - what if I get stuck some place? what will happen with my animals - the people that used to take care of them, are now unreliable and no longer close friends. So I just stay here, and we talk on the phone with the overseas family, or write Emails.
Same here.
Phone calls to friends in Rome.
My friend in Prague stopped talking to me when I warned her about the vax 😢😢😢
Thank you for this, much appreciated!
"because the reality that there is no salvation in either the West or the East is too depressing. "
The people must find that salve in themselves. It will not becoming outwardly, but inwardly.
"At the moment, the Pirates are trying to sell people on IDs that would replace birth certificates, and would be required for the “wallet’s” functionality."
A very creepy concept as someone's entire identity would be captured in a "digital wallet" and could be capriciously expunged with a mere flip of a switch.
However, the Czech's who experienced totalitarianism seem to have inculcated a heighted awareness or intuitiveness regarding the
odious stench of authoritarianism, an ability lacking but desperately needed by Liberals in the West who are deliberately, or unconsciously walking populations into a technocratic digital hellhole.
I wonder about the degree those that are endeavouring to implement this Gullible Reset hell scape think they will be exempt from the human travesty they manufacture? The politicians, public "servants" and compliant useful of OZzzz and NZzzz threw themselves behind the yolk of Covidiot tyranny with unbridled gusto. The unending division and segregation of what is now become tribalised society is the kiss of death of civilisation. In the end the serpent must devour itself. So little happening under this neo-Marxist corporate globalist technofascist con is remotely 'sustainable', or fostering of humanity.
That's why Niemoller's poem still resonates. Nobody thinks the pain they blindly encourage will ever happen to them
I am glad to see that the sentiments amongst the population are at least somewhat encouraging, even if the government is not.
Me too!
Thanks a lot for this, Riley and Cecílie. Have not heard much from the Czech Republic since news of the re-opening of society after the lockdown was declared over, and a party took place on the King Charles Bridge which spans the Vlatva River in Praha.
Good interview - thanks for the Pravda from the neighbors Edward.
What did you expect after joining a transnational corporate entity like the EU that no one ever voted for? Freedom and democracy? Having social liberalism meaningless "elections" and being so-called "richer" in central bankster token numbers is actually the total opposite, absolutely on par with that the Russians and Chinese have, except for foreign policy, where the West is way worse and in its own league.
Just saw a street walking doc of Prague yesterday and remembered 25 years ago, when I visited, just after Czechia opened up to Westerners. Jan Prochazka! I read his book Milena long time ago. Two coincidences! I saved the page of this lady, but my Czech is quite poor, I will have to study some to be able and read it! Thank you so much for bringing back memories of old. Prague is still super clean, but I noticed lots of graffiti on empty buildings, and quite some very expensive German cars. Back then, everyone seemed to drive a Lada.
You can use the Deepl.com internet translator to read Czech websites. ;)
I'm attaching the trailer of Jan Prochazka's most famous film, maybe you can get it with Russian subtitles? https://youtu.be/BgsLUj8GRMY
And this film is all with English subtitles: https://youtu.be/K146kVzttpY
thank you so very much! I love Czechia and regret the way it is evoluating. When I decided to leave my native Belgium your country was the first I tried, but the job was given to someone who was fluent in Czech and I ended up in the USA
''he has repeatedly mentioned in the mainstream media that he does not consider the current Russian regime to be democratic, he has been labelled a pro-Russian collaborator.''
Russia is a corrupt oligarchy, hence it is VERY democratic and collective west approved.
It's ironic that the Pirates, which began in Sweden as a grassroots movement https://falkvinge.net/2013/02/14/swarmwise-the-tactical-manual-to-changing-the-world-chapter-one/ that was big on privacy is now pushing for digital ID in CZ.
Why interview her? She doesn't sound too bright to me. She doesn't notice that she herself has succumbed to a certain amount of brainwashing. She is one of the many people who still allow her opponents to choose her words for her, while she tries to be "fair and balanced." She is walking the fence, man!
To those who say Ukraine provoked the war but Putin was wrong to invade or even, "he took the bait," because there were alternatives he should have used. I ask, "What alternatives, what were they? Name one." They never can name even one.
"A gluten-free bakery"... I sure am prejudiced, but I consider the gluten-free credo to be a branch of the vegan religion, one of Great Reset's doctrines. I'm afraid we are more indoctrinated than we ourselves realize.
Freelander,
With all the respect I have for you, I don't agree with your comment. Modern Wheat is very bad for ones health and this has absolutely nothing to do with the crazy vegan thing or the great reset. I myself have much problem to digest it, unless small quantity.
Wheat has been modified and unless one can find old seeds, I would strongly advised to avoid it.
Anyway, take care
But Bugey, leaving aside the arguable statement that "modern wheat is very bad for one's health" (I would appreciate some links to researches supporting that argument), all wheat has gluten! Modern and ancient. Simply, some people are allergic or very sensitive to that protein, same as some can't digest lactose. And whereas it is great for those people to now be able to buy gluten- or lactose-free products, the fact is, gluten-free has become a sort of cult. For instance, any decent café will have both with- and without-lactose milk for their customers to choose; and any decent restaurant will have meat and meat-free dishes, so that everybody's happy, vegans and meat-eaters alike. The managers of those businesses prove to be (besides good businessmen) perfectly tolerant: they do not discriminate; everyone is welcome there. But the philosophy (and the message) behind any Whatever-free Only place is that of an intolerant teology: "Either you are a member of the church, or you do not buy here. Only like-minded customers are allowed in these premises." This is what I criticise, not the fact that gluten or lactose allergic people (or even meat haters) are now able to buy whatever suits them or their beliefs best, which is of course great.
Cheers.
I would like to point out that an artisan bakery where you can get homemade gluten-free bread for celiacs is something very rare in Prague. Anyway, I've sold my share in the company and the management has stepped up to sell gluten baked goods as well. Personally, I don't agree with that, because the centre of Prague is full of bakeries where you can get good gluten-free pastries. But it's true that a mixed bakery makes more money. (But it is also true that the risk of gluten contamination is higher.)
I am ready to take your word about artisan bakeries that sell homemade gluten-free bread being something very rare in Prague. Which means it was an excellent idea to open a business selling such products. I just do not see why not selling as well lovely homemade artisan gluten baked goods (the risk of gluten contamination being, in my admittedly prejudiced -though not necessarily wrong- opinion, a rather tenuous argument).
I am not sure gluten contagion is such a light stuff since those with celiac disease can suffer be hospitalized with small amount of gluten. Of course, a small downtown bakery is definitely not a semi-industrial bakery which deals with a lot of different products, big bags of flours which will be scattered in the air and contamination can maybe be prevented, pastries prepared in different place and different tools...
Salut Freelander,
I won't be able to provide you any link whatsoever comparing the difference between the modern wheat seeds and old ones since to my knowledge they don't exist. For practitioners, whether farmers of bakers it is evident. I will for once, speak of authority (lol). I have had the chance to be instructed, taught, in one of the best school for organic farming and biodynamic in Europe and probably worldwide. The criterias for selection of seeds have been radically changed in the 70' to have productive wheat instead of strong, resistant ones (same process with the cattles), tasty ones. The soils have also degraded and the plants had to grow with much fewer nutriments, thus being more fragile, more susceptible to insect, fungus and sickness. Thus dwarfing chemicals have been added so that they could withhold wind, which they used to do on good soil and good genetic...
At some point, since the 80's, bakers were sold flours which could even fermentate and at some point in the 2000's, one could find 11 additives (for fermentation, conservation, taste, etc...). This has led, at least in France, to a movement of farmers networking to gather old seeds, replicate them, share them. The results were so good both for them and the bakers that now, the flours from those seeds are sold even in modern bakeries (more expensive) and thousand of handcraft bakers do work only with these with great success countrywide. Even the ghouls in power only eat bread made with these flours, it is a well known fact. The bread last longer, is much tastyer.
Because you admit that celiac disease and leaky gut is a known fact (there might be a link with shity flour in the groth of those diseases), there is no need to say that gluten free isn't a fashion in anyway.
At some point when I saw war as a high probability in Mali and because I was not authorized to go back to my home in the Gao area, I convinced my Malian wife to go to Marocco where some Marocan friends offer me to work with them on a spirulina farm. I thus then shifted from a rice (I could find natural rice, old seeds)based diet to a wheat one. I had a lot of gut problem which was reflected on my skin and my mood. As soon as I went back to Mali and thus stopped eating wheat, my situation improved greatly. When war started for real and I couldn't find a job, thus having a lot of financial problems, I decided to eat little but shifted to Ketogenic diet. I have been keeping with that non strict regime (what I call chocolate mousse keto diet, Lol) for the better.
Veganism is a mental sickness.
I am busy right now, I think you got the point.
Have a good day, or night and Bon appétit!
Salud Bugey.
This is a veeery wide topic. I essentially agree (though I'm not sure in which objective grounds except my subjective perception and prejudice) in the idea that soil chemical degradation and new "productive" (versus old "strong") seeds have resulted in a worse product quality. I for one, living in the countryside, buy as much as possible of local, non-processed produce. Yet, I have two caveats to "organic" farming.
Firstly, I am not sure whether the planet could produce food for seven billion humans if all the crops and cattle in the world were to be "organic". I have the impression (and I might be wrong) that productive and even genetically modified (GM) seeds are in nowadays world an absolute necessity, thus rendering the organic produce a luxury exlusive to rich societies (which of course does not mean I support the abusive and unlawful practices of the GM lords), given the fact that those products are naturally scarcer and considerably costlier. Having a priviledged minority of well-off citizens buy expensive organic food, and spreading the word, does not in the least solve the problem, in my opinion.
Secondly, I very much suspect (an then again I might be wrong) that the "organic commerce" sell their produce at higher profit, taking advantage of the trendy organic fashion. Take for instance the skimmed and low-fat milk: despite the fact that dairy farms (rather, factories) profit double from those types of milk (as they use the substracted milk skin to make cheese or cream), they sell that "decaf" milk at the same or even higher price tag than the full-fat one. Or the "cage-free eggs" you see in the supermarket, sold at a considerably higher price tag than eggs from tortured and mistreated hens, without the buyer having the slightest guarantee (actually, not caring at all, and naively trusting the producer's word) that the "free-cage" ones come indeed from free-cage hens, since it is virtually impossible to verify which hen laid which egg; but again, those "humane and ecological" producers take advantage of the compassionate and gullible well-off citizens who believe their extra bucks are going to save the planet. What I mean to say with all this is, I scent that the "organic" or "eco-friendly" market is, in average, more dishonest and opaque than the industrial one.
But I digress. In essence, my point is that, without scientific and incontrovertible data proving that such or such product is worse for our health than its eco-friendly version--well, I can't take a particular person's experience (not even mine!) as evidence.
Merci â vous!
Hello!
"Firstly, I am not sure whether the planet could produce food for seven billion humans if all the crops and cattle in the world were to be "organic". I have the impression (and I might be wrong) that productive and even genetically modified (GM) seeds are in nowadays world an absolute necessity, thus rendering the organic produce a luxury exlusive to rich societies (which of course does not mean I support the abusive and unlawful practices of the GM lords), given the fact that those products are naturally scarcer and considerably costlier. Having a priviledged minority of well-off citizens buy expensive organic food, and spreading the word, does not in the least solve the problem, in my opinion."
It appears to me that all over history, even in the XX century that the reality is that the survival of human groups worldwide depends entirely on the weather and that it is rather erratic. Everywhere you look, even when human societies devised very brilliant agricultural models, at some point, there has been 'climate changes', whether from one year to another, whether from longer pattern changes. 'Climate changes' can be induced by volcanoes, think Tamboura or Krakatoa in the XIXth century which have brought very bad harvest. It is now well known that the very French revolution was brought about after very bad harvests after volcanic eruptions in Iceland. Thus our survival is by nature uncertain and depends entirely on yearly harvests. Political organisations can be helpful in stocking grains, fat in case of bad years.
You rightly said that it was your 'impression' and in my last comment I hinted at the fact that this has been due to the controlled narration by Big Agra to justify their economical policies and the very huge profits that issued. The balance sheet of the "green revolution" can simply be sum up as such: Destruction of soils, destruction of traditional agricultural societies as is the case in India, land grabbing by powerful private interests, destruction of seeds, health of all organic life (insects, birds, rodents, Humans, etc...), pollution of soil and rivers...
The only way to help counterbalance bad harvest in one place on the hearth would be real, genuine concern for humanity and thus a system to really help those in dire situation when the harvest are failing.
Organic farming/hunting gathering, has been the rule during 99,99999% of the history of humanity (I am simplying but we know that is a "veeery wide subject.
Was "green revolution" designed to feed the populations or to make profit and power over local political entities?
Ever since you and I have been living in rich western societies (I don't know your location, Germany, England) we have seen millions of linear in supermarkets of food of lesser and lesser quality of which a significant proportion was destroyed every week. The endgame was obviously not to feed humanity but to make profit...
Organic farming has became an economic profitable sector but when it started in the 60's in France for instance it was because some people could envisioned the consequences of herbicides, fertilizers... Biodynamic farming was devised when rich German landowners weer seeing decay in soil fertility.
I agree that is has became a money making machine targeting rich urbans but it was first a genuine movement to help improving agriculture, local farmers and consumers. The power that shouldn't be had been transforming the populations in consumers, concentrating them in sterile (in term of food production) urban environment.
Veery wide topic indeed.
Interesting. I won't answer fully for now since it will take some time and I have other things to do. Maybe I will answer bit by bit.
To start, I am French, a country which you must know was still very agricultural at the end of WWII. Industrialisation was not as widespread as in the perfide Albion and a large specter of the population relied on farming and gardening which practices had been improved for centuries, drawing an impressive landscape to say the least (destroyed by the technocratic US minded "remembrement of post WWII" https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrement. No ENCLOSURE and that should give pause to contemplate the very big difference. On the opposite, there has been a strong history of free town, local rules. think of Villefranche sur Saône, de Rouergue, etc, etc... Freetowns. Regions strongly differentiated according to to different climate, landscape seasons of culture, seeds, etc... The total opposite of centralization, technocratic mindset.
My grand father gardened (in a city, there are still city gardens https://www.lyon.fr/association/jardinage/association-des-jardins-ouvriers-communaux-de-lyon and for pictures, https://www.ecosia.org/images?q=jardin%20ouvrier%20lyon), my other grand father was a son of a professional gardener, my father gardened... My neighboors in the village where I live almost all have garden and chicken. Roots (lol)
So in the next posts, you will understand my inherently different appreciation of the process which had led to the actual degeneracy with Big Agra, it's pseudo merit and it's power of propaganda, shaping PERCEPTION, controlling the information, research grants.
5 minutes ago I went the the FAO website to try to find back an official paper of that global administration that was public 20 years ago (I lost the downloaded doc in a computer's 'death') just to find that on their "organic" pages there is just, walou, nothing, rien... I will dig though because I am darn sure, that some 20 years ago it was said, after a study, that small scale family agriculture was the only way to feed Africans. When "war" started in Mali I was about to be hire by the Swiss cooperation on a program to experiment on many practices so as to evaluate them not just for export, but for local consumption...
If you are not interested in the following of my answer, just tell me and anyway take care et "bon appétit".
PS: In the biodynamic/orghanic farming school, we we often told that it was better to share a non organic food in joy with friends than an official logo certified organic dish all alone...
I've read articles that said that the modern wheat is not the same as the ancients ate. It's been messed with too much by science.
I'm almost convinced those articles are correct. I for one have not been able to find anywhere, anymore the good old bakery products one could find in my hometown when I was a kid, and I attribute the cause to low quality flour and perhaps too many chemicals. But as to saying that modern bread is very bad for our health--well, I think that's a long shot.
A vitalist, a poet, would say that a grain full of life, history of climate evolution, having known your ancestors since time immemorial will tell your body, cells, etc.. a long story, it is alive.
A grain devoid of life, a flour grinded God only knows when, chemicall as artifice of life (in the worst flour, yeast doesn't prosper without chemicals) is dead.
Life is health, dead food is therefore non healthy.
Vitalism and poetry is according to me preferable to scientism/materialism and so called scientific objectivity confined in the limits of knowledge gathered in lab experiment.
Did you know that in Belgium a study has demonstrated that plant have a different growth when different musics is performed in fields?...