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Lab leak is the seeded story designed to look like it was true by suppression.

https://off-guardian.org/2023/02/28/no-covid-still-doesnt-come-from-a-lab/

We're dealing with snake oil salesmen for decades. Virology is pseudoscience

https://odysee.com/@drsambailey:c/Toxicology-vs-Virology-Rockefeller-Institute-and-the-Criminal-Polio-Fraud:1

Wow, Russia trusted the western poison, err "medicine" remdesevir?

Either they are beyond stupid or lying.

Both cases, it makes me not trust in them at all.

They're simps of the WHO and Western big pharma.

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You might find this interesting:

https://michaelpsenger.substack.com/p/drastic-founder-renounces-lab-leak

This guy makes some great points!

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Yes, but also rests to much on the "I'm an authority, believe me" fallacy.

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The only thing that would truly make me believe that SARS-CoV-2 didn't exist is the crap way that the CDC was keeping data.

If there were a real pandemic, and people within the government were truly worried about it. Nobody would be keeping total nonsense death statistics, which we know the CDC was doing. They [CDC] would actually be interested in the number of people who were killed by the illness, not just drumming up the numbers to scare people.

It's for those reasons alone, that I question whether or not there was truly a new virus. That and running the cycle rate on the PCR test so high that it would find positives EVERYWHERE.

None of the actions followed by the CDC or FDA were such that you would believe that there was a true pandemic. The CDC (crap statistics) the FDA (trying to avoid/stop any and all triage COVID treatments). None of that adds up, unless they were never truly worried about the illness to begin with, or, if the illness never existed.

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Yes, I do agree with most, if not all, of the individual points made. Add to that the role of iatrogenic death, as Beagle covers so well, and Stefan Lanka's methodological deconstruction of "viral isolation", and we have the whole fraud exposed. This leaves a better question: Who are these people, that they collaborated together at a global scale to to foister an entirely FAKE pandemic upon the entire world?

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They have many different names, but they've been doing this for a long time.

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They ARE the bastards who want to control it all, while staying outside of their OWN sphere of control...

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Umm Drastic did great work but they’re a mixed bag. Couey has no more unique insight than anyone else paying attention and he’s not very bright - this scooby doo argument is on its face moronic, and it’s mainly speculative - ignores clinical data and doesn’t justify the bold claim that enhanced viruses can’t replicate. Most important: lab ORIGIN, there’s no evidence of a ‘leak’ (that’s the second or third layer cover story imo). Decades of synthetic biology are not a giant info op, that’s nuts. His pal Mark Kulak (sp?) believes nukes are a hoax. Can’t understand how people can miss that this is basically holographic planes and mini nukes kook shit to discredit critiques of covert CBW programs. It’s pretty obvious..

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Yes, like an SRA-exposing show I used to follow who then started to give hours and hours of air-time to flat earthers. Guilt by association, one of the social engineer's favourite fallacies.

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Hi Edward, here to throw a curveball. Midazolam.

See, the UK conveniently had a spike of deaths in April 2020. But various UK sleuths (not myself) found Midazolam orderings spiked during this period... as did dementia deaths and COVID-19 deaths. One *peer-reviewed* paper said April 2020 had an abnormal three-fold spike in dementia deaths.

The cause is Midazolam, which is a lethal injection drug. I detailed in-depth here:

https://thedailybeagle.substack.com/p/the-death-penalty-drugs-used-by-care

And the chain of planning is explicit, including Dr "Good Death" Evans and Matt Hancock explicitly mentioning ordering *2 years worth of Midazolam* in less than *1 month*. They cleared out a French pharmaceutical company's *entire* stock:

https://thedailybeagle.substack.com/p/midazolam-murder-mysteries-who-is

We even have a case example of a woman who published records showing their elderly parent got given Midazolam, died the same day, and then saw COVID-19 and pneumonia on the death certificate:

https://thedailybeagle.substack.com/i/106401986/a-call-to-arms

It changes the entire dimensions of the 'pandemic'. Notice all the elderly and sick and ill are killed off in Russia? That's Midazolam - a lethal drug, by the way, no benefit - target demograph.

Russia might not have used Midazolam, they may have used something else (different formulation, chemical, brand name), but we have the smoking gun now.

They're already looking to throw Matt Hancock under the bus on a lesser charge of "wilful misconduct":

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/matt-hancock-should-be-arrested-for-wilful-misconduct-in-public-office/ar-AA18kGwZ

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Underappreciated. You have inspired me to give this monster its proper name.

The Iatrocaust.

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This was a manufactured crisis. The pure, blatant Hegelian nature of it is just mind-blowing. If the virus even exists, it is mild, but it was hyped up to be the Black Death. I grew skeptical after the first month when numbers didnt jive with predictions but the hysteria kept building until "voila" Warp Speed will save us with the vaccines. What proceeded from that was "nudging," social pressure, and stigamatization. Mandates came next. Was the experience of the Russians any different from those of us in the West? Hello, anyone else see the universal pattern of behavior?

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To rephrase their war cry, “they are all in this together”.

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Same all same all my friend. Same MO is played in every big country who act like they are opposed to then make us want to have military industry complex. Who owns most of bigpHarma in the west? Same tribe as in Russia, right? Right. Also, 80 congressman in US have dual citizenship with Israel. Cool ha? Their spiel is not that hard to imagine. They rely on shabbos goys to make it all work.

"This is how you protect yourself from an Anglo-Saxon bioweapon."

Creating the same to jump to profits faster or are they ALL in on it and being coordinated from the same command center? Ja. I think so. Russia vs West is a game to impose digitized tyranny and nwo world communism.

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The dual citizenship issue is a big problem for me. Hasbara comes out of the woodwork whenever you try to point this out. I got ratio'd hard on Disqus when I suggested barring dual citizens from military and gov't positions. I didn't even mention a certain Middle Eastern nation.

As time goes on, it just feels like Russian elites are making sure they get their slice of the pie.

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It would certainly appear as such. I had no idea that Russians had the digital ID or mandates pushed on them but Riley has done a good job of getting the word out. The universal push for shots and compliance transcends nations. Why?

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It’s an arms race. The one who gets a 100% compliant and “augmented” population is the winner.

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yeah, a population that was sifted and only VERY compliant are left alive

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You'll probably find the Black Death was not due to a pathogen either. Another one of their lies. Funny how none of the rats died right? There are no pandemics caused by pathogens. They are all fiction. Ask yourself why you never see pandemics in animals. Remember the great dog plague of 1959? Nope, me neither.

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Thanks very much for this thorough and timely debunking, Riley!

It is sad to see entities within the "health freedom" movement pick up this fraud of a story. Particularly bad on the part of Children's Health Defense and RFK Jr, its head, who has a coming book pushing this crackpot crack pipe theory, and who has promoted the hype pushed by organs of truth such as the Wall Street Journal and New York Times, complete with China bashing, with Naomi Wolf joining in.

I wrote a piece about CHD's behavior and its refusal to deal with Christine Massey's FOI requests which have gathered admissions by over 200 global health entities admitting they have no proof for the physical isolation and purification of this alleged phantom virus, it can be viewed at .

https://www.fluoridefreepeel.ca/watts-up-with-katherine-watt-no-comment-on-official-legal-confessions/

WATT’S UP WITH KATHERINE WATT? “NO COMMENT” ON OFFICIAL LEGAL CONFESSIONS, Jeffrey Strahl, 2/18/23. Links in the text at the page.

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kennedy indeed; https://rfkexposed.com/ [courtesy of dr.shiva]

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And this too, the name sounds Russia, though he lives in Argentina (where there are quite a few people of Russian ancestry).

https://gamzuletova.substack.com/p/what-is-childrens-health-really-defending

What is Children´s Health really Defending ? From their articles, it seems they are energetically defending two illusions: COVID-19 and SARS-CoV-2. Misha from Gamzuletova, 3/6/23.

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Love your posts Edward

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thanks for reading, Simon!

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Thank YOU, Edward. YES, you’ve got it correct!!! I’ve got blood shooting out of my eyeballs from just five minutes ago in response to the “bullshit Lab Leak nonsense” from Peter A. McCullough, MD, MPH. He’s got some of it (the micro science) correct, but, I said in response to his last post, if you’ll pardon my screeching:

NO! NO! NO! You make it sound as if all this was a mistake or a misstep of honest vaccine development; a “misstep?” You’ve got a lot of the science correct by focusing on the proteins and immunity, but that’s it, almost like it’s intentional. The vaccines were developed to MURDER people, just the same as the so-called COVID Lab Leak; not a mistake or misstep! That’s complete BULLSHIT, doctor. Both the Virus and the Vaccines were Military Grade Weapons, not a god damn leak, and I can prove the media’s responses and reporting was also NOT a mistake, but Military Misinformation and Misdirection. I’m not a conspiracy theorist. I’ve researched ALL the scientific studies and doctors who’ve been complaining for decades about being stifled or destroyed for saying what I am now saying, what I have been saying for years. I know what I’m talking about. You are NOT doing all your homework, just part of it, or just enough so not to step on too many toes, or for whatever the reason…you are, in part, wrong about the who, what, when and why of it all. And I just don’t get it. You are too smart, and I just don’t’ get your half-way up the pyramid explanations, and you are not alone in doing this. Let me repeat: People are being Murdered by both Military Grade Bio-Weapons and Media coverage, and you are not helping by denying this bloody evil fact.

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There was no virus

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Exactly. What kind of “military-grade bioweapon” only kills those: already at the age of average life expectancy; who have multiple comorbidities; are forcibly isolated from their families in care homes and and/or hospitals; neglected and/or denied adequate and necessary medical care; pumped full of toxic drugs; and/or put on lethal ventilation?

You’d think if “it” was are real and scary as “it” was made out to be in the media and the OP “it” would be able do what “it” was allegedly designed to do, which is cause a completely healthy young person to all but drop dead instantaneously at the slightest exposure...

All the evidence points to the fact that “it” only ever existed on the computer program where they manufactured it’s fake genome, on the TV screen, and in the imaginations of those who astonishingly believe what they read, see, and/or hear from the media, the government, and/or the so-called “experts” who are all completely corrupt and lie about literally everything.

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Lab leak, from a computer lab. :-)

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A class B incapacitating agent, that’s what. I would have more of a read through the literature (there’s decades’ worth) on CBW and post-90s synthetic biology. Without accounting for that you’re prematurely jumping to conclusions. The bullshit MSM public health version vs. ‘It doesn’t exist!’ was the exact tactic used with HIV-AIDS in the ‘80s, so heartening to see that it’s working again.

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indeed, duesberg on aids/hiv; http://duesberg.com/faq.html

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Exactly. We have so many examples of the MO, but people repeatedly fall into the trap of binary thinking… need to exercise negative capability in thinking this stuff out!

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Yep. Duesberg does believe HIV is real but not related to AIDS. And like others, he believes "AIDS" is really a bunch of symptoms collapsed into a single alleged unique disease. Peter Duesberg was a leading cancer researcher and a standout at UC Berkeley until he spoke out about AIDS, as a result of which he was cut off from all funding and marginalized at the school and the science world in general.

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HIV has not been shown to exist either, ZERO evidence for it, zero proofs provided in responses to FOI requests for this one too.

The Perth Group debunked the entire HIV/AIS story even in the '80s, the late Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos, PhD, did the ground breaking work .

https://viroliegy.com/2022/03/20/remember-the-titans-r-i-p-eleni-papadopulos-eleopulos/

Dr Luc Montagnier, who got the Nobel in Medicine in 2008 for supposedly discovering HIV, stated that HIV is not the cause of AIDS. He further admitted that his "discovery" of HIV was based upon circumstantial evidence, the presence of the enzyme reverse transcriptase (RT), which has been presumed to prove the presence of a retrovirus, though people had done research back in the early 1970s proving that RT is NOT unique to retroviruses, and Montagnier's team knew that. See a 1997 interview Montagnier did with science journalist Djamel Tahi.https://viroliegy.com/2022/02/13/montagniers-monster/

Amazing that you are STILL falling for the disinformation, long after it's been debunked.

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indeed, montagnier and gallo unable to identify 'virus'

https://houseofnumbers.com/

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Kary Mullis told a fascinating story of confronting Montagnier (I think, maybe Gallo) at a conference; simply asking him for a reference to any paper that unequivocally had established/isolated HIV. In Mullis' telling, Montagnier hemmed and hawed for several moments then just blew him off - walked away. (Wish I could find that video but there has been some scrubbing of them.)

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GREAT video!

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I acknowledge it’s more complex than HIV = AIDS (partly because it’s a syndrome so inherently vague and subject to political motivations) but how to explain the haemophiliac cases via blood transfusions without some infectious connection? Claiming anything ‘has been debunked’ - especially on the basis of a group, a researcher or a documentary (lol) - belongs to the world of popular mechanics and NASA dweeb shills, reddit atheists.. not anyone actually looking for answers.

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How many of these?

https://viroliegy.com/2021/10/05/the-infectious-myth-busted-part-3-hiv-transmission-rare-or-non-existent/

Sexual transmission in Padian study: 0%.

"Needleprick transmission among healthcare workers: 0.23% risk

In the over 30+ years HIV has been around, the CDC can only claim 58 healthcare workers were infected with HIV from needlepricks of “infected” blood with only one of those occuring since 1999! This should make it very clear that HIV can not be transmitted through the injection of “infected” blood.

Another interesting fact to keep in mind is that it is also not guaranteed that those who are labelled with an HIV diagnosis will ever develop AIDS:"

Peter Duesberg and Paul Philipott debunked the 1995 Darby study which claimed that spread to hemophiliacs was a serious concern.

And even "synthetic biology" requires contagion theory to be valid. Do you have any proof for it? Numerous attempts to create infectious transmission between people have failed, including with the Spanish Flu, supposedly the most infectious virus of all.

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Well said. Military Grade Bio-Weapons include those deploying electro-magnetic radiation. Hospitals are full of WIFI .....

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Thanks for this!

fwiw- in response to Malone's tweet pushing the lab leak BS, it looks like Patrick Henningsen over at 21st Century Wire is calling out Malone's BS and how he's helping promote US govt narrative (setting us up for war with China:

Henningsen: It’s an exciting theory Robert, only where is the evidence of this super virus you claim sprung from a Wuhan Lab? Interesting how you are now promoting US govt’s latest *official* conspiracy theory. Nothing more than WMDs 2.0, only China is the geopolitical target this time.

(Henningsen knows the virus is a scam)

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The CEO of Moderna claimed they started manufacture of the "vaccine" in 2019 and expected to make a Billion $. They patented the vaccine sequence in 2019. They also patented the same sequence in 2015.

I imagine the same teams did both.

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'Nosocomial infections' means illnesses which were acquired in hospital, right?

One thing that is heavily polluting the atmosphere in hospitals is electro-magnetic radiation from all the WIFI outlets at every bed and from hospital equipment.

I wonder why nobody wants to mention that?

Could it be because non-ionising electro-magnetic frequencies are considered 'harmless' even in Russia, the home of the world's foremost expert, Yuri Grigoriev?

https://francesleader.substack.com/p/the-cold-war-of-electro-magnetic

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Interesting. Thanks, Frances.

I tend to think the electromagnetic effects are somewhat underestimated.

In addition to the frantic expansion of cellular RF equipment under cover of the CV scam, something else notable happened too.

The astronomy app ‘Night Sky’ is a fascinating thing. Alongside the lumps of rock and balls of gas above us, it also signposts the man-made scurf littering the skies. Check it out now, and you’ll be amazed at the huge number of Starlink gizmos blasting the earth with RF radiation. This stuff wasn’t there before ‘it’ started.

Electromagnetic radiation affects us. It makes people (and animals) ill. It affects plants. This has been known for much more than 200 years, since the first fiddling with galvanic piles.

But enough of my yakking. I’d steer the curious towards Arthur Firstenberg’s book ‘The Invisible Rainbow’.

There are many factors behind ‘the sickness’. I suspect this is one of them.

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Oh I am 100% aware and writing about it almost daily since 2016. I have been bashing my head against the hand-held murder weapons ever since I first developed electro-magnetic radiation sickness myself. They call it Electro-magnetic Hypersensitivity officially but that diagnosis is not really recognised by the NHS in Britain.

I have amassed a huge archive of studies, articles and videos which I share everywhere I can. It never ceases to amaze me how addicted people are now.... so much so that they won't even consider that their devices could be killing them and others.

I keep trying.... here is my archive:

https://francesleader.substack.com/p/all-my-substack-articles-on-emfc19

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Followed. I salute your efforts, and agree with your observations.

The present state of ‘science’ is an exercise in human hubris on a breathtaking scale. Underpinning it is a sense that we humans are gods and masters of our existence. This is folly, but also something more pernicious than that: whether the 99% realises it or not, it’s a mindset grounded in evil.

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Why does Putin always have most meme able pics??

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See? Good optics in the motorcycle celebrity crowd:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/798474208914062403/

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Putin sez: If I'm going to be listed among the Evil Compliant Lizard People Worm Suckers, I want to at least be sure I'm not confused with Elon Musk or (ick) Bill Gates.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/798474208914062403/

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"The implication here seems to be that a leaky lab murdered lots and lots of people, and not the last three years of organized culling under the guise of “public health.”

Replace "culling" with 'homicide' and I'll concur. "Culling" requires a degree of foresight and concern not available to mere gain-of-profit bureaucracies. The idea that "they" care enough about anything outside their shiny personal bubble-domes (what used to be called "lives" until we learned to let the entertainment complex do our living for us) to want to reduce the population or get rid of irksome dissidents, does not incite my conviction.

They care about as much about us as, well, we care about them. In most modern democracies, this means about a 50% average voter turnout rate, which translates into 'meh'. But we are trained to live our lives per the orders intoned by the priests atop the pyramid, and so we confuse our actions (especially our compliance) with their dictates.

If we'd stop being mesmerised by persons in, and institutions of, arbitrary authority, we might figure out what we might do with our lives other than bitch about TPTB while submitting to... not jackboot thugs but an incessant slurry of commercials, soundbites, and substackular oracles.

That said, there is a certain art to rabble rousing, even if the rabble one rouses is mostly one's own digestion:

https://youtu.be/fNwWUkRZs8M

But it's not the same without a whoopie cushion:

https://youtu.be/R0WIHMLcJQI?t=71

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Same all same all my friend. Same MO is played in every big country who act like they are opposed to then make us want to have military industry complex. Who owns most of bigpHarma in the west? Same tribe as in Russia, right? Right. 80 congressman in US have dual citizenship with Israel. Their spiel is not that hard to imagine. They rely on shabbos goys to make it all work.

"This is how you protect yourself from an Anglo-Saxon bioweapon."

Creating the same to jump to profits faster or are they ALL in on it and being coordinated from the same command center? Ja. I think so. Russia vs West is a game to impose digitized tyranny and nwo world communism.

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Omigosh, RFK,Jr. used to be pro-vaccine. What an evil heel he must be. Why, he's as bad as me: I *used* to be pro-vaccine, too.

A word of un-asked for advice: when navigating down a rabbit hole dug by weasels, it is wise to keep one's eyes on the tunnel, not splitting hairs in the dark.

Context: https://time.com/3012797/vaccine-rfk-jr-thimerosal/

I can no longer tell whether the comments sections on today's cutting edge blogs are unintentional humor or if conspiracy theory is now THE cool thing all the hep kids are into -- and therefore ruining it as we hep kids always do.

Nor can I tell who is a bot or not, since knee-jerk dogmatism coupled with rag-tag "exposes" take turns with pedantic sanctimonious 'my truth is truthier than yours', and bots can do that stuff all year long in about half an hour.

Vonnegutt infamously and waggishly said, regarding the Dubya admin in the early 911 years: "Real horror is waking up and finding out that your high school class is running the country."

I add that real horror is realizing that, no matter where I go, if there are humans involved, there is no escaping high school.

https://youtu.be/j3osyVDICh4?t=12

So, these three conspiracy theorists enter a... "discussion"....

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Anyone with Epstein connections should be treated with a great deal more scepticism.

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“We are the prey” by Breggins sheds some light on this mess. Funny, but Malone sued the couple over accusations of manipulation branded as “mass formation” (another rabbit shit hole scam).

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Ere I get my bile engaged, I'll say this: 'leaks<>not<>leaks' is itself more divisive chatter material for us simps.

Was the virus aka "it" the result of misguided medical policy/science? Check

Was the "it" the result of malicious profiteering via misguided medical policy/science? Check

Was the "it" the result of misguided gain-of-function research? Check (the lineage and get back to me, but I'm, hardly convinced otherwise, since gain-of-function is bioweapons 101 and, really, who cares how it got released? Or what it was? Whatever that was, it ain't no mo, 'cept maybe in some super-secret cylinder deep under-somewhere.)

Does zoonosis naturally happen? Check

Has our century of massive inoculation, massive sanitation, and massive congestion of humans and any critter that we regularly consume, increased zoonosis that affects humans? Check

"It" could have been released on purpose or on accident.

"It" could have been produced entirely "naturally", on purpose, or both.

"It" could be zackally what they wanted or an unfortunate misstep in carefully laid plans or at least compulsively nurtured crack-pipe dreams.

We know very little about "it", partly because we drown in countless oracular explanations of what the truth *really* is, today's hottest new cottage industry.

We do, however, know an awful lot about what they did and do using "it" as justification. That seems worth focusing on. Discussing how much of this current lab-leak info-leak stream is a manipulation or limited hangout etc. is almost certainly doomed to the same fate as Who Shot JFK and How DID the Death Star take down the 911 Towers?!?!? (Were the Towers really real? Or was it like the lunar landing hoax or the 2024 prez-elekshun?)

Here and now we are provided, courtesy of my personal URL of Clairvoyance, scene from the "attempted takeover" of the Kremlin in 2025 after Putin dies of Eurocarditis

https://youtu.be/YeAp1fPt8Eg

I cannot yet find footage of Kremlin police escorting her inside, but trust it will manifest if enough of us pray.

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I think it came from a lab, However it never "leaked". It was intentionally released into the public

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Nothing came from anywhere. You don’t have to falsify death certificates if you have a stand-alone killer virus

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You might if you wanted to hype the ‘lethality’ of an incapacitating agent. It was clear very early that virtually only those with comorbidities died from it. People have this notion that weapons have to kill to meet the definition. Truncheons? Chaff grenades? The suddenly widespread belief that viruses aren’t real strikes me as sloppy binary thinking.

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"The suddenly widespread belief that viruses aren’t real strikes me as sloppy binary thinking."

It's not a belief. It's just science. Ex- virologist Dr Stefan Lanka has demonstrated the existence of SARS CoV2 using the standard virological experiments (cell culture and extraction of the genome) but what made his experiments different was that he never added a sample from a sick patient.

In other words, the 'proofs' of viruses are built in to the experiments themselves. He extracted the SARS CoV2 genome from a sample of yeast using the standard virology genome assembly software.

Even mainstream kidney publications have articles from nephrologists warning virologists that the breakdown of kidney cells produces tiny particles (cellular debris) which look identical to the so called 'coronaviruses'. If you go back in history virology was a failed 'science' until they discovered the 'magic' technique of using cell cultures with monkey KIDNEY cells, which are now always part of the process of 'finding viruses'.

It's all a scam... but it's a scam which is worth trillions to Big Pharma who fund the mainstream media, which is why the media reports on the 'lab leak' backup narrative - which is just reverse psychology designed to pull skeptics and truthers back into the false 'viral' paradigm.

Once people realise 'viruses' are just cellular debris and don't 'cause' anything it's game over and we can all get on with our lives.

Virology itself was invented to prop up the failing germ theory model of disease. The last century has been nothing BUT really bad science which has bee debunked at every step of the way. It's just that most people are only hearing the criticisms of virology now because imaginary 'viruses' are being shoved down our throats 24/7.

They never 'discovered' viruses. They just invented unscientific (unfalsifiable) proxy experiments to give the impression that they existed.

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Yeah I’m familiar with these arguments - not sure that kidneys are the only medium used as a culture though. It’s largely semantics: maybe what I learned in school as a virus - a tiny parasitic semi-living replicating entity - is indeed indistinguishable from cellular debris, I don’t have the expertise to know. However, it seems premature to say that this doesn’t cause anything when apoptosis is such a crucial feature of our biology and, just intuitively, having a load of waste product in your system doesn’t sound healthy. I am open minded about alternative causes, psychosomatic, vibrational etc but have yet to read anything that convinces me contagion is a fallacy (while real life experience supports the idea of it being real). Do you think prions are fake? Amyloidosis? Proteins? Do they exist or are they just incapable of replication and transmission. Is dementia/parkinsons research part of the conspiracy?

I appreciate the vigilance wrt layers of narrative control but I think your position is 1) signal boosted from the beginning and censored less than sane lab origin arguments (not including the dodgy blame China content) 2) convenient for anyone involved in illegal/nefarious bioweapons programs

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"maybe what I learned in school as a virus - a tiny parasitic semi-living replicating entity - is indeed indistinguishable from cellular debris, I don’t have the expertise to know"

A 'virus' is more than just a particle which is indistinguishable from cellular debris. It has a skill set. This skill set has never been demonstrated. In fact every study designed to prove contagion has failed to do so... going back 100 years.

Shouldn't scientists first establish that person-to-person contagion is an actual thing before they start claiming to have found contagious submicroscopic particles?

"I am open minded about alternative causes"

Are you open minded to unicorns causing disease? If not why not? Viruses are as real as unicorns. They both exist in our culture (we are all familiar with the concepts) and there is absolutely no scientific proof of their existence in nature. Are you open minded to viruses causing disease? If so, then you must also accept the unicorn theory too.

"However, it seems premature to say that this doesn’t cause anything"

It seems premature to shut down the world and force experimental drugs onto the population for a particle that has never been shown to exist or cause a disease which has no distinguishing clinical symptoms which causes no excess mortality and which is indistinguishable from the seasonal flu which magically disappeared at the start of 2020.

I think the problem is that you equate 'not rocking the boat' with being cautious and sensible. But in this case the boat has already been flipped and we're 3 miles from shore. The time it takes to swim three miles is about the same amount of time it takes to understand how virology is not science. And that's how we save ourselves.

"I am open minded about alternative causes, psychosomatic, vibrational etc but have yet to read anything that convinces me contagion is a fallacy (while real life experience supports the idea of it being real)"

The most common scenario is for half of a household to get sick and the other half not - even between intimate partners it's common for one to get sick and the other not. Given the dozens of other explanations for sickness that ARE consistent with this pattern, we should put contagion at the bottom of the list of likely causes.

In any case, scientific studies have failed to prove contagion even when the test subjects exchange snot and lung fluid in a deliberate attempt to 'catch' the disease.

https://viroliegy.com/2021/10/03/the-infectious-myth-busted-part-1-the-rosenau-spanish-flu-experiments-1918/

If you still think 'bioweapons' exist and are being deployed against the people, might I suggest you put the idea of 'viruses' and 'contagion' to one side, go for a walk and ask yourself two questions (1) what is the most practical way to get a harmful agent inside of human bodies (while ensuring total safety for those carrying out the plan)? and (2) how might the population be convinced to accept this delivery method?

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Both things can be true! It’d be way riskier to invent an entirely fictional threat from whole cloth than to overhype a real pathogen, if the goal is spurious/nefarious mass jabbing. I’m not trying to not rock the boat, I am trying to push back on arguments I think are stupid and unhelpful.

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